nedit, kde & and the annoying copy&paste problem

[Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum]

Hello,

[i'm newly subscribed so i can't answer on older mails on this list]


After working with nedit for more than 10 years now, i'm deeply
disturbed by the copy&paste issue which was topic on this list for
several times.

In short: after some time nedit cannot longer use copy&paste, the keys
and menu entries appear inoperable.

After reading in the mailinglist archive i found several postings,
stating that the issue is probably fixed in CVS. So i compiled and
installed HEAD on my computer yesterday. Today i found nedit's
copy&paste dysfunctional again.


Some details:

- Ubuntu 9.10
- KDE 4.3.2 (standard Ubuntu 9.10)
- libtiff 3.8.2
- nedit HEAD (latest tarball from the website)
- nedit is started in server mode, nc starts new windows
- no tabbed mode, i want my editor windows on several desktops



So how can i help debugging this issue? I find myself restarting nedit
once or twice a day, loosing all open windows for several projects.


Thanks & kind regards

[John Ferrier]

I have been using nedit since 2000 and never had copy/paste problems (on sun solaris 2.??, redhat 7.3, mandrake ?, redhat enterprise Linux 4 AS, opensuse 9.2 and opensuse 11 now, ) . As far as I know some of these kind of issues comes from lesstif. I am always using gnome on linux instead of KDE.

Regards,

John





________________________________
From: Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum <adsmail-rZ1Axl1SVMPh+Csq1SFZ+***@public.gmane.org>
To: develop-***@public.gmane.org
Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 4:34:35 PM
Subject: nedit, kde & and the annoying copy&paste problem


Hello,

[i'm newly subscribed so i can't answer on older mails on this list]


After working with nedit for more than 10 years now, i'm deeply
disturbed by the copy&paste issue which was topic on this list for
several times.

In short: after some time nedit cannot longer use copy&paste, the keys
and menu entries appear inoperable.

After reading in the mailinglist archive i found several postings,
stating that the issue is probably fixed in CVS. So i compiled and
installed HEAD on my computer yesterday. Today i found nedit's
copy&paste dysfunctional again.


Some details:

- Ubuntu 9.10
- KDE 4.3.2 (standard Ubuntu 9.10)
- libtiff 3.8.2
- nedit HEAD (latest tarball from the website)
- nedit is started in server mode, nc starts new windows
- no tabbed mode, i want my editor windows on several desktops



So how can i help debugging this issue? I find myself restarting nedit
once or twice a day, loosing all open windows for several projects.


Thanks & kind regards

[Joerg Fischer]

Post by Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum
- Ubuntu 9.10
- KDE 4.3.2 (standard Ubuntu 9.10)
- libtiff 3.8.2
- nedit HEAD (latest tarball from the website)
- nedit is started in server mode, nc starts new windows
- no tabbed mode, i want my editor windows on several desktops

some more details please like found under Help->Version
(something like
NEdit Version
Date
Built on: Linux, x86-64, GNU C
Built at: Mar 8 2009, 10:28:18
With Motif: (Untested) 2.3.1 [@(#)Motif Version 2.3.1]
Running Motif: 2.3 [unknown]
Server: The X.Org Foundation 10605000
Visual: 24-bit TrueColor (ID 0x21, Default)
Locale: en_US

)

My guess is you're linking to lesstif instead of motif.

Cheers,
Jörg

[Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum]

Hi,

Post by John Ferrier
I have been using nedit since 2000 and never had copy/paste problems
(on sun solaris 2.??, redhat 7.3, mandrake ?, redhat enterprise Linux
4 AS, opensuse 9.2 and opensuse 11 now, ) . As far as I know some of
these kind of issues comes from lesstif. I am always using gnome on
linux instead of KDE.

This isn't going to help ;-)

If there would be such a bug in Gnome, would you switch to KDE?

Post by John Ferrier

Post by Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum
- Ubuntu 9.10
- KDE 4.3.2 (standard Ubuntu 9.10)
- libtiff 3.8.2
- nedit HEAD (latest tarball from the website)
- nedit is started in server mode, nc starts new windows
- no tabbed mode, i want my editor windows on several desktops

some more details please like found under Help->Version
(something like
NEdit Version
Date
Built on: Linux, x86-64, GNU C
Built at: Mar 8 2009, 10:28:18
Running Motif: 2.3 [unknown]
Server: The X.Org Foundation 10605000
Visual: 24-bit TrueColor (ID 0x21, Default)
Locale: en_US
)
My guess is you're linking to lesstif instead of motif.

5.6 [Under Development] HEAD
Feb 24, 2010

Built on: Linux, 486, GNU C
Built at: Feb 24 2010, 19:02:55
With Motif: (Known Bad) 2.1.0 [@(#)GNU/LessTif Version 2.1 Release
0.95.0] Running Motif: 2.1 [unknown]
Server: The X.Org Foundation 10604000
Visual: 24-bit TrueColor (ID 0x21, Default)
Locale: en_US


Bye

[Tony Balinski]

Post by Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum
Hi,

Post by John Ferrier
I have been using nedit since 2000 and never had copy/paste problems
(on sun solaris 2.??, redhat 7.3, mandrake ?, redhat enterprise Linux
4 AS, opensuse 9.2 and opensuse 11 now, ) . As far as I know some of
these kind of issues comes from lesstif. I am always using gnome on
linux instead of KDE.

This isn't going to help ;-)
If there would be such a bug in Gnome, would you switch to KDE?

Might this help:
http://www.nedit.org/niki/index.php/NEdit_FAQ/platforms
(under the title 'My selections in NEdit keep disappearing when using the KDE
desktop')?

Tony

[Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum]

Hello,

Post by Tony Balinski

Post by Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum

Post by John Ferrier
I have been using nedit since 2000 and never had copy/paste
problems (on sun solaris 2.??, redhat 7.3, mandrake ?, redhat
enterprise Linux 4 AS, opensuse 9.2 and opensuse 11 now, ) . As
far as I know some of these kind of issues comes from lesstif. I
am always using gnome on linux instead of KDE.

This isn't going to help ;-)
If there would be such a bug in Gnome, would you switch to KDE?

http://www.nedit.org/niki/index.php/NEdit_FAQ/platforms
(under the title 'My selections in NEdit keep disappearing when using
the KDE desktop')?

No, this does not help :-(

The problem just occured again, can't copy&paste.



Bye

[Joerg Fischer]

Post by Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum
5.6 [Under Development] HEAD
Feb 24, 2010
Built on: Linux, 486, GNU C
Built at: Feb 24 2010, 19:02:55
0.95.0] Running Motif: 2.1 [unknown]
Server: The X.Org Foundation 10604000
Visual: 24-bit TrueColor (ID 0x21, Default)
Locale: en_US

Thanks. Now two things. Someone labeled the lesstif version you are
using as "Known Bad" probably for a reason.

The other thing is "the copy&paste problem" which someone said this
would be fixed in CVS. Who said so? Any references about what we are
actually talking about? The klipper thing [where you posted your
problem before] with disowing the selection doesn't seem to be
related. Please notice that some (all?) Qt folks confuse everybody by
calling the "PRIMARY selection" simply "clipboard", which in terms of
X is simply wrong.

Cheers,
Jörg

[Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum]

Post by Joerg Fischer

Post by Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum
5.6 [Under Development] HEAD
Feb 24, 2010
Built on: Linux, 486, GNU C
Built at: Feb 24 2010, 19:02:55
Release 0.95.0] Running Motif: 2.1 [unknown]
Server: The X.Org Foundation 10604000
Visual: 24-bit TrueColor (ID 0x21, Default)
Locale: en_US

Thanks. Now two things. Someone labeled the lesstif version you are
using as "Known Bad" probably for a reason.

Someone else also labeled this version in debian (+ubuntu) as fixed:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=356017

Post by Joerg Fischer
The other thing is "the copy&paste problem" which someone said this
would be fixed in CVS. Who said so?

Hum, good question. The days before i compiled and installed HEAD, i
have read the nedit mailinglist archive, all entries about this issue
over the last years. This bug is marked as invalid in KDE now:

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129994
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129994#c27

based on the comment you made ;-)


So, i end up with a dysfunctional editor. And i would really appreciate
not to change my favoured editor just because of this issue.



Kind regards

[Joerg Fischer]

Post by Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129994
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129994#c27
based on the comment you made ;-)

That bug was about losing the selection in NEdit when shifting left or
right because klipper steals it. Is this your problem?

Post by Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum
So, i end up with a dysfunctional editor. And i would really appreciate
not to change my favoured editor just because of this issue.

My NEdit isn't disfunctional, but I'm using

Built on: Linux, x86-64, GNU C
Built at: Mar 8 2009, 10:28:18
With Motif: (Untested) 2.3.1 [@(#)Motif Version 2.3.1]
Running Motif: 2.3 [unknown]
Server: The X.Org Foundation 10605000
Visual: 24-bit TrueColor (ID 0x21, Default)
Locale: en_US

Your problem might be related to the lesstif version in use. Or does
it only show up if klipper is running? Does it only show up if you are
using kde?

Cheers,
Jörg

[Steve LoBasso]

I have seen the copy/paste problem with a nedit that I have statically linked to open motif, so this is not purely a lesstif issue.

-Steve



----- Original Message ----
From: Joerg Fischer <jf505-***@public.gmane.org>
To: develop-***@public.gmane.org
Sent: Fri, February 26, 2010 10:00:33 AM
Subject: Re: nedit, kde & and the annoying copy&paste problem

Post by Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum
- Ubuntu 9.10
- KDE 4.3.2 (standard Ubuntu 9.10)
- libtiff 3.8.2
- nedit HEAD (latest tarball from the website)
- nedit is started in server mode, nc starts new windows
- no tabbed mode, i want my editor windows on several desktops

some more details please like found under Help->Version
(something like
NEdit Version
Date
Built on: Linux, x86-64, GNU C
Built at: Mar 8 2009, 10:28:18
With Motif: (Untested) 2.3.1 [@(#)Motif Version 2.3.1]
Running Motif: 2.3 [unknown]
Server: The X.Org Foundation 10605000
Visual: 24-bit TrueColor (ID 0x21, Default)
Locale: en_US

)

My guess is you're linking to lesstif instead of motif.

Cheers,
Jörg
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[Aaron W. Hsu]

On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:50:18 -0500, Steve LoBasso

Post by Steve LoBasso
I have seen the copy/paste problem with a nedit that I have statically
linked to open motif

What is this particular copy and paste problem? I know that I have had
some trouble copying things from NEdit and Pasting them into Opera if
Opera has already done some clipboard work of its own. I haven't really
determined what causes this, but Opera is a QT application.

Aaron W. Hsu

[Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum]

Hi,

Post by Aaron W. Hsu
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:50:18 -0500, Steve LoBasso

Post by Steve LoBasso
I have seen the copy/paste problem with a nedit that I have
statically linked to open motif

What is this particular copy and paste problem? I know that I have
had some trouble copying things from NEdit and Pasting them into
Opera if Opera has already done some clipboard work of its own. I
haven't really determined what causes this, but Opera is a QT
application.

The problem is that the copy&paste functionality stops working.
The behaviour is like you never pressed Ctrl+C or Cltrl+V.


Bye

[Thomas M. Schlageter]

Post by Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum
Hello,
[i'm newly subscribed so i can't answer on older mails on this list]
After working with nedit for more than 10 years now, i'm deeply
disturbed by the copy&paste issue which was topic on this list for
several times.
In short: after some time nedit cannot longer use copy&paste, the keys
and menu entries appear inoperable.
[...]

I remember having trouble with selections when using NEdit and Klipper
from KDE at the same time. There seems to be a very different handling
of selections in KDE and Motif/Lesstif which can not be easliy resolved.
So, just not starting Klipper does the job for me.

Post by Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum
[...] I find myself restarting nedit
once or twice a day, loosing all open windows for several projects.

Pls. have a look at the "Project Management" macros

<http://nedit.hackvalue.nl/niki/index.php/ProjectManagement>

which may help solving this issue. Starting different NEdit Servers for
each project using "nc -svrname proj-name" and using the PM macros
could be a solution to restore all open windows.

CU